In Part 2 of our conversation with Alvin Wang Graylin — Professor of AI and Tech Policy at the University of Washington and author of Our Next Reality — the discussion turns to AI and the US-China relationship. Alvin argues that the framing of an ‘AI race’ between the two superpowers is both inaccurate and counterproductive, explains why US export controls have backfired, and explores how China’s AI development has taken a distinctly different path — focused more on industrial adoption than the pursuit of AGI. He also discusses regulatory differences, why Chinese citizens are more optimistic about AI than Americans, his assessment of the Xi-Trump summit’s AI safety discussions, and what he would tell policymakers in both countries if given the chance.