In Part 2 of our conversation with Rui Ma on The Negotiation podcast, we explore the evolving consumer tech and innovation landscape in China beyond AI. Rui shares her analysis on the rise of local life services, humanoid robotics, and China’s dominance in electric vehicles—highlighting the factors propelling growth and the remaining roadblocks.

We also zoom out to explore the broader dynamics between the U.S. and China’s tech ecosystems. Rui discusses rising tensions, how media and policy shape U.S. perceptions of Chinese tech, and whether meaningful collaboration is still possible.

Finally, Rui reflects on the future of China tech and whether she still believes—as she’s said before—that “the next China is China.” Listen for sharp insights, fresh perspectives, and a grounded look at where things might be headed.